something which was an invention of man to begin w/ can't die. It was simply something we thought of to make us feel important. Unless you're defining love as various chemical reactions, lust + familiarity etc..

All things deteriorate with time. Even inventions of man fade away. Physical or not they do not stand the test of time.

love can no more cease to exist than freedom can, mainly because they never existed to begin with.

That sounds too nihilistic :) We feel love for our fellow humans, yes it is chemical reactions, so what?

So to say that love never existed in the first place is to erase it from history, thus dead. Love is no longer in use, even if it was in use in the first place, meaning now it is/has been dead.

As for feeling love for our fellow humans, we have a really great way of showing it. Over the span of our existence we have managed to kill our fellow man over resources, religion, territory, and power. The world is too selfish to love his fellow man. These chemical reactions are just caused by genetic programs in our body that tell us to fuck and establish a family to ensure the survival of your genes.

Even if it is too nihilistic (something I have yet to study myself) it is still a NO God view, which is better than most.

Sure, we are survival machines programmed by our genes to reproduce, but that doesn't stop me from appreciating and enjoying those feelings of compassion. We don't need God to support an altruistic and loving philosophy. Ego is a very powerful thing and can lead to many atrocities but that isn't always the case.

No you don't need a god to have an altruistic philosophy. I had it myself until of late. Constantly putting others before yourself, and trying to be unselfish about it, but in truth we all have a secret agenda. No one does something for someone for nothing. We need results otherwise we just give up on it. Whether it be that simple feeling you get when you do a good deed, or if you expect a favor to be repaid later on. We are all selfish.

[quote]Whether it be that simple feeling you get when you do a good deed[/quote]

That's as selfless as it gets and its fine if you ask me... there are no absolutely selfless deeds, that's pointless! After all everything goes through yourself (by the process of thinking), so how could it be selfless?

[quote]I had it myself until of late.[/quote]

I think you're just trying to justify your general dissapointment on life, maybe you should consult a therapist if you feel depressed or anything...

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That's as selfless as it gets and its fine if you ask me... there are no absolutely selfless deeds, that's pointless! After all everything goes through yourself (by the process of thinking), so how could it be selfless?[/quote]

Exactly my point. Every action you do that is so called 'selfless' is in fact done in some way to make yourself feel better. Hell, you get the same effect by doing everything for yourself, rather than putting others ahead of you. So why bother? Figure that this person will truly appreciate what you did for them, and somehow your selfless act will spark a chain reaction of compassion and kindness throughout the world? The world will be a better place because you were kind to others! Bullshit, and no matter how nice, considerate, and kind you are to everyone it won't change a damn thing.

[quote=Derevirn]I think you're just trying to justify your general dissapointment on life, maybe you should consult a therapist if you feel depressed or anything...[/quote]

Hardly. The point of the statement was say that I went through this altruistic lifestyle, thus stating that I know what it's like to do such things. This shows that I'm not just some outsider viewing everything in a negative manner because I am ignorant to it. And for the reason it has changed as of late was not because of disappointment, rather that I was reflecting on past behaviors and actions, and I came to the conclusion that sacrificing for others was nothing but self-destructive behavior.

I obviously don't know what your altruistic lifestyle was, but won't you feel bad not caring for anyone? I just try to maintain a balance between mine and other's needs.

Guilt for living your life by your own terms? We are all so selfish in this individualized society. Should guilt be necessary nowadays? Shit, you live the same life except every once in a while you feel the need to take others into consideration.

I do believe my friend Adam and I were enforcing the fact that there is no true atruism and that greed is present in all that is done. This was 2-3 months ago i think. But concerning the love is dead topic, that is rediculous I think. I can see where you are coming from. But to say something is dead is to assume it was alive, love is an emotion, a chemical reaction. Its not alive. It never was, so it cannot be dead. If however you mean that it doesn't exist anymore, You can answer that in two ways, one, yes it does, because it is a chemical reaction that is recorded and still takes place in others and yourself. Or you can say no, backing that with the fact that the definition of love varies from person to person. However saying it does not exist is a very ignorant statement.