[quote=Guruite][quote]The Catholic Church accepted evolution as a fact like around the 50's or 60's.[/quote]

??? Care to cite a source?

This would be a cool trivial (for me... not others) fact to know... but I don't believe it...

(But I want to... so convince me!)[/quote]

Dude, are you telling me that you didn't know this?!

People!

Pope John Paul II said:

[quote]"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points....Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies -- which was neither planned nor sought -- constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory." [/quote]

[url=http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP961022.HTM]Source.[/url]

Also, wiki has an article about it, right [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Roman_Catholic_Church]here.[/url]

Well, the Catholic Church will not accept evolution in a few months.

ID is going to be the new thing.

[quote=lilangelofterror][quote=Dave_G]I have only seen one "true" christian on here. And by the way most scientists believe in evolution so you have to believe it to.[/quote]

1. So you have magical mind reading powers you can see people's deepest thoughts and know for a fact they are not 'True Christians' TM.

2. I don't have a problem with evolution.

Now do you have some other cards you care to play?

Crystal[/quote]

I don't need an arguement evolution and the big bang both disprove the bible.

[quote]Dude, are you telling me that you didn't know this?![/quote]

Yup! This sounds tremendously stupid... (not that I had not heard of it... that is a lack of knowledge) I assumed that the church did not accept it or did not have a position (the Mormon church claims not to have an official position)

Because Stephen Colbert does not believe in it... and he *is* a strict Catholic....

[quote=Dave_G]But evolution gos against the Bible:[/quote]

Nah, ignorant people just think it does.

[quote]BTW: The only reason I threw in that whole most scientists thing is because one of our users said "most historians believe in Jesus..." So I answered back with "most scientists believe in evolution (straw man ^_^)[/quote]

Argument from authority, not a straw man.

A straw man would be assuming that because someone is a Christian they must reject evolution.

Dave, Good on using quotes... only dont put your words into them...

And as for evolution... I would say that most people do believe in some form or another...

THey might not believe that the first cell was spontaniously created (through processes) or that man evolved out of an ape...

And no, Dave... it never says that god was an ape... God could have created man as man... without going through the channels of evolution

(Speculation on a silly thought.. maybe this is why the Neanderthal died out... (not that I support it.)never mind)

[quote=Dave_G]Study the Big Bang it is way different than the Bible and no I don't watch religious shows because most religious people are against sceince.[/quote]

You do love to say stupid things huh? Funny I think science is a wonderful tool and the people who say the Big Bang supports the Bible are both scientist and theologian. William Lane Craig believes in the Big Bang, so does pretty much any theologian... I've even heard fundy Christians saying they do. Now stop saying stupid things that prove you don't know what you are talking about and start reading these strange things called 'books'.

[quote]And read the Bible and you will see that it does contridict science.[/quote]

Funny... there's a debate going on right now that two Christians say they can prove God exist using just science. There's books out there (Such as [i]Darwin's Black Box[/i] who is written by Biochemist Michael Behe, but what does he know? He's only a scientist with a degree in Biochemistry) that say that Creation can be proven by science. Again, stop reading whatever the RRS tells you (IE that real scientist are not creationist or no Christian doesn't believe in evolution) and read some books written for adults. Try this again Davey.

Crystal

[quote=fredric sedric]just some food for thought. :P

what was their befor the big bang???

try and wrap ya mind around it[/quote]

According to Steven Hawkins time is both eternal and not eternal. However; it's not even a theory... he uses negative numbers and says that 'it's mathematically possible'. Well that's nice, it's mathematically possible to have a negative amount of people required to do a job, does this work in reality?

Crystal

The point of this rant was....

[quote=lilangelofterror]The point of this rant was....[/quote]

Calm down...... Just put down the Bible and open your mind.

And the debate is by Comfort and Cameron and they failed miserably. I'll write a forum about errors in the Bible.

[quote=lilangelofterror][quote=Dave_G]
Calm down...... Just put down the Bible and open your mind.[/quote]

*rofl* You think I'm upset little boy? Please... all you do is assert your position as correct and anyone who disagrees is wrong.

[quote]And the debate is by Comfort and Cameron and they failed miserably. I'll write a forum about errors in the Bible.[/quote]

*rofl* Oh yeah... an actor is a rep for Christian scholarship. How about you go read read debates where the atheist has to debate Christians like William Lane Craig? Even the Christians on theologyweb agree that they failed! Get your head out of the sand little boy, not all of us think Comfort and Cameron did a great job nor are they a rep for Christians everywhere.

Crystal[/quote]

To bad because I won't be posting much on here. If you want to debate stop advertising some site. I'm going to keep posting on RRS since the Christians on there have arguements that a child can not argue against. You arguements are so dumb my 6 year old cousin could debate you. Really I don't have time to debate some dolt from some dolt that got banned from his own site.

I don't think it matters whether a man named Jesus existed or not. From what I know, the most plausible idea is that he was a man whose story was embellished with common myths of the time. Regardless, it doesn't really matter, and there is no way to verify that he for SURE didn't exist(and it would be hard to do the opposite). However, I am not hung up specifically on Christianity, the larger question is whether a god is possible, plausible, probable, and necessary.

As to the evolution person, sorry, but no, evolution is for the most part, accepted. As to which evolutionary mechanism, whether it be gradualism, punctuated equilibrium, co-evolution, symbiotic evolution...that is the debate.

As for evolution, I'm thinking of inventing a new major for college. My theory is that the same 'force' the invisible hand running the economy is present in evolutionary 'force'. Basically it is the force of efficiency, and I would like to study the similarities. Hopefully nobody debunks evolution. i doubt that could happen, as it would undermine a great part of our current science.

Its possible, though not likely.