Welcome Michael.

[quote]1) The Jewish people have survived throughout the history, suffering different things including the Holocaust. The Jewish people were NEVER eliminated COMPLETELY, but always a small part of them has survived. Also, in the wars of the Jewish people against the Syrians and other countries in the Middle East- always the amount of the killed people of Jews was much less than the Arabs. There is no another nation in the whole world that lost such a small amount of people in such difficult wars.
Take a look at the last war of Israel VS. Lebanon-- in spite of the many rockets that have exploded in Israel- very few people died.
In the wars of Israel VS. Syria, the Israeli Army lost almost nothing in comparison to the Syrians, although the Syrian's army seemed to be stronger than the Israeli one.
This is to fulfill God's word that was said: For the LORD will not cast off His people, neither will He forsake His inheritance. (Psalm 94:14)[/quote]

Just because one biblical "prophecy" came true does not mean that the entire bible is correct.

By using the same logic, I could say, "Snow is white, and it snows in the Caribbean."

Just because one part is true doesn't make the whole statement true.

[quote]2) There are miracles today. It's a fact.
There are really many evidences to people who tell how they were healed by God's power.
It doesn't matter whether they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or something else. When they asked for God's help and mercy with all their heart- God answered their prayer and helped them because the act of healing is by God's mercy and grace to everyone who asks.
Even I have experienced such a miracle.
You don't have to believe me, but what I tell you is true.[/quote]

What about when miracles [i]don't[/i] happen? Theists generally tend to credit good things to god and dismiss every single non-miracle completely.

[quote]3) The science agrees that all this complicated structure of the human body, or something else which is natural- has an intelligent design.[/quote]

No, science doesn't say that everything is intelligently designed. A lot of scientists tend to be agnostic or atheist.

[quote]The probability for atoms to have such a complicated combination by themselves without an involvement of a creator is almost zero.[/quote]

Back that up. What about your complicated, infinitely knowing and infinitely powerful creator - how did that come about? If he didn't need to be created, then not everything requires a creator. Which means that the universe didn't need a creator to come about.

[quote]Such a person who chooses to believe that all this was made by itself- takes a much greater risk than a person who believes that all this was created by God.[/quote]

How?

[quote]4) The existence of a universe- a universe is a material. A material changes all the time and turns into different forms because of different processes.
A material needs to be created somehow, since it's a result, and a result needs to have a cause.[/quote]

Back that up.

[quote]Some say that if our parents are the cause and we are the result, yet they are not greater than us, but are like us.
However, the multiplying of people is a process that had a beginning in Adam. God created Adam, and the cause to the beginning of this process was greater than the cause.[/quote]

Back that up, another baseless assertion.

[quote]God who is the cause to the universe needs to be greater than the universe itself, since the universe needed to begin somehow, and God made its beginning. The universe could not begin by itself, since it needed a greater power to begin all its processes, and by itelf it could not begin.
The universe started existing at some point, so the cause to it needed to exist before the universe, so only God is infinite who has no end and no beginning. Therefore, it's logical to say that the cause of the universe is GREATER than the universe itself.[/quote]

Back that up again. What if the universe had no cause at all?

[quote]So my dear friends, I will be glad to talk to you about things.
You can write to me privately to: [email protected]

Postscript: Some have said that Christians are hypocrites, and I agree that some people do so.
However, not all behave so. Just as there are atheists who behave so and some do not.[/quote]

Agreed.

Dear noor:
You said:
"Just because one biblical "prophecy" came true does not mean that the entire bible is correct.

By using the same logic, I could say, "Snow is white, and it snows in the Caribbean."

Just because one part is true doesn't make the whole statement true."

Ok, so we both agree on the fact that the story of the Jewish people is true. Now, I don't come and say to you: Believe in what is written, but suggest you to try by yourself to find explanations of contradictory places in the bible.
I mean, it's easy to refute and say: "You see, it's wrong", but I am certain that an intelligent person would agree that explanations can be suggested, and we should use it, since we want to find out why the bible is written in that way.
Instead of saying "it's wrong", say "it seems wrong, but there is an answer to it".

"What about when miracles don't happen? Theists generally tend to credit good things to god and dismiss every single non-miracle completely."

If miracles don't happen, it doesn't mean that God has forsaken his people. Look at Job, he didn't complain, but accepted the disasters that came upon him with love, the good and the bad as one from God. Believers should do so also. Things that are not miracles, which are not disasters and not great things, but regular things are processes that were made by God. These are natural things that were also done by Him. What did you exacly mean?

"No, science doesn't say that everything is intelligently designed. A lot of scientists tend to be agnostic or atheist."

Yes, it's true that different people explain the same things differently. However, facts are facts. Their interpretation is different.
However, it's important to consider what seems to make sense and what does not. Can you explain more what did you mean?

"Back that up. What about your complicated, infinitely knowing and infinitely powerful creator - how did that come about? If he didn't need to be created, then not everything requires a creator. Which means that the universe didn't need a creator to come about."

No, as I have explained above, that what makes the creator GREATER than the creation. If the creator is the same as the creation, how can the creator be a real creator? A universe is a beginning of processes, and a creator is the cause to that. Therefore, the creator needs to be independent in time and space, so he can create the universe. If you didn't understand something, please comment again.

"How?"
I meant by that that if you know that the chance for something so complicated to be created is much greater than the chance that it would happen by itself, then your assurance in your assumption is much smaller than the assurance of the one who believes that it was created.

"Back that up again. What if the universe had no cause at all?"
I think that I have answered this. Your assumption doesn't make a sense. How can a process exist without a power that in the beginning gave the processes the possibility to begin?
Please explain it.

You are welcome to write again.
Have a nice day!

[quote]Dear noor:
You said:
"Just because one biblical "prophecy" came true does not mean that the entire bible is correct.

By using the same logic, I could say, "Snow is white, and it snows in the Caribbean."

Just because one part is true doesn't make the whole statement true."

Ok, so we both agree on the fact that the story of the Jewish people is true. Now, I don't come and say to you: Believe in what is written, but suggest you to try by yourself to find explanations of contradictory places in the bible.
I mean, it's easy to refute and say: "You see, it's wrong", but I am certain that an intelligent person would agree that explanations can be suggested, and we should use it, since we want to find out why the bible is written in that way.
Instead of saying "it's wrong", say "it seems wrong, but there is an answer to it".[/quote]

I'm no historian, but your statement "it seems wrong, but there is an answer to it." could apply to pretty much anything. I could also use that same logic on you and say, 'Maybe you think the atheist position is false, but there is an answer to it."

"Do your own research." I get that often from theists. One main problem with this is that when you ask different people to explain contradictions, the explanations often tend to differ. So, I might ask, which christian explanation is right and which is wrong?

I've read quite a few apologetics articles, not impressed.

[quote]"What about when miracles don't happen? Theists generally tend to credit good things to god and dismiss every single non-miracle completely."

If miracles don't happen, it doesn't mean that God has forsaken his people. Look at Job, he didn't complain, but accepted the disasters that came upon him with love, the good and the bad as one from God. Believers should do so also. Things that are not miracles, which are not disasters and not great things, but regular things are processes that were made by God. These are natural things that were also done by Him. What did you exacly mean?[/quote]

My point was that miracles could happen all the time but they don't. Anyway, I could also claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster healed me. What makes you think that only God could have done it and not the FSM?

[quote]"No, science doesn't say that everything is intelligently designed. A lot of scientists tend to be agnostic or atheist."

Yes, it's true that different people explain the same things differently. However, facts are facts. Their interpretation is different.[/quote]

Agreed.

[quote]However, it's important to consider what seems to make sense and what does not. Can you explain more what did you mean?[/quote]

Just because something may not make sense to you doesn't mean it is false. You claimed that "science agrees that things have an intelligent design" Science never makes any claims about an intelligence behind everything.

"Reality is what it is, not what you want it to be." - Frank Zappa

[quote]"Back that up. What about your complicated, infinitely knowing and infinitely powerful creator - how did that come about? If he didn't need to be created, then not everything requires a creator. Which means that the universe didn't need a creator to come about."

No, as I have explained above, that what makes the creator GREATER than the creation. If the creator is the same as the creation, how can the creator be a real creator?[/quote]

I am an atheist, not a pantheist. I didn't say that the creator is the same as the creation, my point was that the universe does not need a greater creator.

[quote] A universe is a beginning of processes, and a creator is the cause to that. Therefore, the creator needs to be independent in time and space, so he can create the universe. If you didn't understand something, please comment again.[/quote]

Prove to me that the universe needs a creator. Oh, and prove why god is the only thing that does not need to be created.

[quote]"How?"
I meant by that that if you know that the chance for something so complicated to be created is much greater than the chance that it would happen by itself, then your assurance in your assumption is much smaller than the assurance of the one who believes that it was created.[/quote]

No, which is more likely: that the universe started out simple and became more complex over time, or that the universe started out with an already-complex creator?

[quote]"Back that up again. What if the universe had no cause at all?"
I think that I have answered this. Your assumption doesn't make a sense. How can a process exist without a power that in the beginning gave the processes the possibility to begin?
Please explain it.[/quote]

I don't claim to know everything, but I refuse to jump to the conclusion that a fairy created it all until there is empirical evidence of that fairy.

[quote]You are welcome to write again.
Have a nice day![/quote]

You too.

[quote]I'm no historian, but your statement "it seems wrong, but there is an answer to it." could apply to pretty much anything. I could also use that same logic on you and say, 'Maybe you think the atheist position is false, but there is an answer to it."

"Do your own research." I get that often from theists. One main problem with this is that when you ask different people to explain contradictions, the explanations often tend to differ. So, I might ask, which christian explanation is right and which is wrong?

I've read quite a few apologetics articles, not impressed.[/quote]

Thank you noor for writing.
Different people look at the same things in different ways. They suggest different solutions to biblical contradictions, but the purpose is to understand why the words were written in that way.
In mathematics we have different ways to solve an equation, but the answer is one. So also, the purpose in theology is one- to understand it, but the ways for this understanding may be different. A true interpretation is an interpretation that seems to work ok, and not to do problems with other biblical statements.
If you say that these different solutions do make problems, then this solution is either wrong, or you misunderstood something, which with more discussion would seem to you clear and correct.
If the atheism position is true, you are welcome to tell me your arguments, and they should be considered carefully.

[quote]My point was that miracles could happen all the time but they don't. Anyway, I could also claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster healed me. What makes you think that only God could have done it and not the FSM?[/quote]

Actually, miracles happen all the time, but people don't think that these were real miracles. People tend to say that a miracle happened only when it was something great.
There are cases in wars, for example, when a person thought that he would die because of a massive shooting, but he stayed alive. Also, I've heard about a man who has been heavily beaten, and in one night he was healed by God, and the doctors could not understand it.

There is not a good reason to believe that someone or something else besides God can heal you, since God is the one who has proven Himself in the history and in the scriptures as the one true deliverer.

[quote]Just because something may not make sense to you doesn't mean it is false. You claimed that "science agrees that things have an intelligent design" Science never makes any claims about an intelligence behind everything.[/quote]

I don't agree. I've watched TV programs where scientists did agree about an intelligent designer.
How could the emotions and feelings of a person also evolve? A combination of atoms won't give you feelings like you have, neither a soul that you have.

[quote]I am an atheist, not a pantheist. I didn't say that the creator is the same as the creation, my point was that the universe does not need a greater creator.[/quote]

I think that I've explained why this cannot be true. Please tell me why you don't agree with me.

[quote]Prove to me that the universe needs a creator. Oh, and prove why god is the only thing that does not need to be created.[/quote]

Please read my answer again and say why you disagreed with me.

[quote]No, which is more likely: that the universe started out simple and became more complex over time, or that the universe started out with an already-complex creator?[/quote]

The universe cannot evolve as the time goes on, but needs to have an information within it to evolve in such a way, which was made by its creator.
A person who does not have an appropriate DNA for being tall, would never become tall, unless he has this information.

[quote]I don't claim to know everything, but I refuse to jump to the conclusion that a fairy created it all until there is empirical evidence of that fairy.[/quote]

I think that there are evidences for it, as I've shown above. However, there is not a good evidence to believe that everything has been developed by itself.

I'll be glad to hear from you again, noor, and I wish you the best.
Have a lovely day.

I am busy, but I will take a detour for this. The answer to all equations is not one. Nor is there one solution to each equation. Your analogy doesn't make sense, and your writing is confusing. I would enjoy listening to your point, but 20 credits are too many to decipher your cryptic writing.

[quote=Michael_17][quote]I'm no historian, but your statement "it seems wrong, but there is an answer to it." could apply to pretty much anything. I could also use that same logic on you and say, 'Maybe you think the atheist position is false, but there is an answer to it."

"Do your own research." I get that often from theists. One main problem with this is that when you ask different people to explain contradictions, the explanations often tend to differ. So, I might ask, which christian explanation is right and which is wrong?

I've read quite a few apologetics articles, not impressed.[/quote]

Thank you noor for writing.
Different people look at the same things in different ways. They suggest different solutions to biblical contradictions, but the purpose is to understand why the words were written in that way.
In mathematics we have different ways to solve an equation, but the answer is one. So also, the purpose in theology is one- to understand it, but the ways for this understanding may be different. A true interpretation is an interpretation that seems to work ok, and not to do problems with other biblical statements.
If you say that these different solutions do make problems, then this solution is either wrong, or you misunderstood something, which with more discussion would seem to you clear and correct.
If the atheism position is true, you are welcome to tell me your arguments, and they should be considered carefully.[/quote]

As Josh already pointed out, not all equations have one solution to them in mathematics. And it's not about the way to understand it, it's the final solution. Different christians disagree amongst themselves over the final answers to things. The method is usually the same: read the bible and apologetics materials, and listen to the preacher at church.

[quote][quote]My point was that miracles could happen all the time but they don't. Anyway, I could also claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster healed me. What makes you think that only God could have done it and not the FSM?[/quote]

Actually, miracles happen all the time, but people don't think that these were real miracles. People tend to say that a miracle happened only when it was something great.
There are cases in wars, for example, when a person thought that he would die because of a massive shooting, but he stayed alive. Also, I've heard about a man who has been heavily beaten, and in one night he was healed by God, and the doctors could not understand it.[/quote]

What about the fact that prayers have been shown to be statistically insignificant?

[quote]There is not a good reason to believe that someone or something else besides God can heal you, since God is the one who has proven Himself in the history and in the scriptures as the one true deliverer.[/quote]

Prove (without using the bible) that it was god, and not another angel, who heals people.

[quote][quote]Just because something may not make sense to you doesn't mean it is false. You claimed that "science agrees that things have an intelligent design" Science never makes any claims about an intelligence behind everything.[/quote]

I don't agree. I've watched TV programs where scientists did agree about an intelligent designer.[/quote]

Yes, a few scientists [i]personally [/i]believe in a designer. Science does [i]not[/i] make any claims about a god. You're confusing science with scientists who personally believe.

[quote]How could the emotions and feelings of a person also evolve? A combination of atoms won't give you feelings like you have, neither a soul that you have.[/quote]

There is no soul, prove to me there is one first.

Yes, atoms do create the neurons and nerves, which simulate feelings.

How the heck did your infinitely complicated god who feels emotions too come about?

[quote][quote]I am an atheist, not a pantheist. I didn't say that the creator is the same as the creation, my point was that the universe does not need a greater creator.[/quote]

I think that I've explained why this cannot be true. Please tell me why you don't agree with me.[/quote]

Stop dodging the point. You just made up a bunch of baseless assertions, and I asked you to back them up. You haven't done so.

[quote][quote]Prove to me that the universe needs a creator. Oh, and prove why god is the only thing that does not need to be created.[/quote]

Please read my answer again and say why you disagreed with me.[/quote]

Nice job, completely dodging the point again. You invented arguments about a creator of the universe out of thin air in the first post and I asked that you back them up.

[quote][quote]No, which is more likely: that the universe started out simple and became more complex over time, or that the universe started out with an already-complex creator?[/quote]

The universe cannot evolve as the time goes on, but needs to have an information within it to evolve in such a way, which was made by its creator.[/quote]

Another baseless assertion that you need to back up.

[quote]A person who does not have an appropriate DNA for being tall, would never become tall, unless he has this information.[/quote]

I'm not sure, but quite a few people tend to grow faster by playing basketball and other sports.

[quote][quote]I don't claim to know everything, but I refuse to jump to the conclusion that a fairy created it all until there is empirical evidence of that fairy.[/quote]

I think that there are evidences for it, as I've shown above. However, there is not a good evidence to believe that everything has been developed by itself.[/quote]

You attempted to give some proofs, but I rebutted some of them and asked you to back up some of the assertions that appear to have been created out of thin air.

[quote]I'll be glad to hear from you again, noor, and I wish you the best.
Have a lovely day.[/quote]

You, too.

[quote]As Josh already pointed out, not all equations have one solution to them in mathematics. And it's not about the way to understand it, it's the final solution. Different christians disagree amongst themselves over the final answers to things. The method is usually the same: read the bible and apologetics materials, and listen to the preacher at church.[/quote]

I think that a good method to understand a biblical passage correctly is to check out if a solution works well. If yes, it would be a possible solution which will help to understand the bible.
I think that the final solution is to UNDERSTAND the bible, and the many ways to solve this is HOW to understand.

[quote]What about the fact that prayers have been shown to be statistically insignificant?[/quote]

People who pray to God in time of need and distress will get help, when they ask it with faith and a true heart, but if you make experiments to see how prayer works it won't work, because God does not act according to your will, but according to His own.
God told us not to tempt him, and making statistics out of all it is a temptation.

[quote]Prove (without using the bible) that it was god, and not another angel, who heals people.[/quote]

If people pray to God, it's reasonable to understand that God was the one that helped them. If you send a letter to me and you get an answer, would you think that it was someone else? Maybe yes and maybe not.
God can use anyone He wants to heal people people, whether it will be an angel, a healer who is a man or He will do it by Himself. I am sorry, but this argument does not seem to be well based.

[quote]Yes, a few scientists personally believe in a designer. Science does not make any claims about a god. You're confusing science with scientists who personally believe.[/quote]

I think that you are wrong here. Science is based upon laws and rules. Darwinism fails to answer important issues and contradicts some things.
See here: http://www.harunyahya.com/refuted1.php

[quote]There is no soul, prove to me there is one first.

Yes, atoms do create the neurons and nerves, which simulate feelings.

How the heck did your infinitely complicated god who feels emotions too come about?[/quote]

Yes, atoms together make cells of nerves that let us feel, but the feelings themselves are not something physical. It's like to say that there are objects, but the eyes help you to see them. There are feelings, but the nerves let you to comprehend them. What about people who told how they saw their body on the floor and they looked downstairs at themselves, and after that they returned to their body. It happens in clinical death. There is a spirit also, not just a body.

[quote]You attempted to give some proofs, but I rebutted some of them and asked you to back up some of the assertions that appear to have been created out of thin air.[/quote]

That's the point that I don't understand well. Who disproved what? Let's have a deeper conversation on this.

Blessings noor, and have a nice day.

[quote=Michael_17][quote]As Josh already pointed out, not all equations have one solution to them in mathematics. And it's not about the way to understand it, it's the final solution. Different christians disagree amongst themselves over the final answers to things. The method is usually the same: read the bible and apologetics materials, and listen to the preacher at church.[/quote]

I think that a good method to understand a biblical passage correctly is to check out if a solution works well. If yes, it would be a possible solution which will help to understand the bible.
I think that the final solution is to UNDERSTAND the bible, and the many ways to solve this is HOW to understand.[/quote]

Actually I've heard of xians becoming atheist after reading the bible. No matter how you try and explain it, the bible is full of stories about hatred, sex, murder, intolerance, genocide, violence, etc.

[quote][quote]What about the fact that prayers have been shown to be statistically insignificant?[/quote]

People who pray to God in time of need and distress will get help, when they ask it with faith and a true heart, but if you make experiments to see how prayer works it won't work, because [i]God does not act according to your will[/i], but according to His own.
God told us not to tempt him, and making statistics out of all it is a temptation.[/quote]

Then what is the point of praying?

[quote][quote]Prove (without using the bible) that it was god, and not another angel, who heals people.[/quote]

If people pray to God, it's reasonable to understand that God was the one that helped them. If you send a letter to me and you get an answer, would you think that it was someone else? Maybe yes and maybe not.
God can use anyone He wants to heal people people, whether it will be an angel, a healer who is a man or He will do it by Himself. I am sorry, but this argument does not seem to be well based.[/quote]

I said [i]prove it[/i], not repeat it again.

Your letter analogy doesn't work because I can clearly see that your name is written at the bottom of the letter. God doesn't leave any evidence that it was only him and not an angel, who healed the person.

[quote][quote]Yes, a few scientists personally believe in a designer. Science does not make any claims about a god. You're confusing science with scientists who personally believe.[/quote]

I think that you are wrong here. Science is based upon laws and rules. Darwinism fails to answer important issues and contradicts some things.
See here: http://www.harunyahya.com/refuted1.php[/quote]

I want a peer-reviewed article that appeared in some science journal. Science is a method. There are no fixed rules. Science changes itself all the time and is not dogmatic.

[quote][quote]There is no soul, prove to me there is one first.

Yes, atoms do create the neurons and nerves, which simulate feelings.

How the heck did your infinitely complicated god who feels emotions too come about?[/quote]

Yes, atoms together make cells of nerves that let us feel, but the feelings themselves are not something physical. It's like to say that there are objects, but the eyes help you to see them. There are feelings, but the nerves let you to comprehend them. What about people who told how they saw their body on the floor and they looked downstairs at themselves, and after that they returned to their body. It happens in clinical death. There is a spirit also, not just a body.[/quote]

I'm assuming you're referring to astral projection here. You do realize that this and near-death experiences are based on chemical levels in the brain?

Again, prove there is a spirit. I've asked you to do this, and you just repeated yourself over.

[quote][quote]You attempted to give some proofs, but I rebutted some of them and asked you to back up some of the assertions that appear to have been created out of thin air.[/quote]

That's the point that I don't understand well. Who disproved what? Let's have a deeper conversation on this.[/quote]

I showed you that your attempt to prove god's existence using the biblical "prophecy" doesn't work. I also asked you to back up your assertions on the universe needs a greater creator.

[quote]Blessings noor, and have a nice day.[/quote]

I will pray that the FSM touches you with His Noodly Appendage. Have a good day.

Okay, this is a little tidbit I picked up, and I haven't fact checked this particular aspect, so please look this up. As if you needed another reason to think for yourself! I am a random guy on the internet!

Dimethyltripamine or DMT is a drug that is class 1 illegal in about 8 countries, including the US. That is more illegal than any other drug. It is a very visual Hallucinagenic drug, and any more than small amounts causes memory loss. But the only memory you lose is during the time you are under the drug's affect.

Here is the important part: DMT is naturally created in the brain. In loads of species, not just humans! The DMT is released during REM sleep, and, you guessed it, right before you die. Hence, NDEs are just hallucinations. This drug takes effect in less then a minute when you smoke it, but it is nearly instant when it is produced, IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BRIAN.

[quote=Michael_17]Hello dear friends!
As you can see from the title above, I do believe in God, although this is an atheist forum.
I glad if somebody reads this and would like to reply for my comments about what I write here down.
Ok, so first, I am a Christian, who is glad to follow my holy Lord- The Almighty God, following his word- Christ Jesus and working through his spirit.
Actually, if you ask me what do I think about the Atheism, I would say that this position is COMFORTABLE, but not the true one.
From what I read here, it's obvious to me that you people choose to deny God, saying that He simply does not exist, or there is no evidence for His existence.

Well, I think that the opposite is true: He DOES exist.
Look at some interesting facts:

1) The Jewish people have survived throughout the history, suffering different things including the Holocaust. The Jewish people were NEVER eliminated COMPLETELY, but always a small part of them has survived. Also, in the wars of the Jewish people against the Syrians and other countries in the Middle East- always the amount of the killed people of Jews was much less than the Arabs. There is no another nation in the whole world that lost such a small amount of people in such difficult wars.
Take a look at the last war of Israel VS. Lebanon-- in spite of the many rockets that have exploded in Israel- very few people died.
In the wars of Israel VS. Syria, the Israeli Army lost almost nothing in comparison to the Syrians, although the Syrian's army seemed to be stronger than the Israeli one.
This is to fulfill God's word that was said: For the LORD will not cast off His people, neither will He forsake His inheritance. (Psalm 94:14)[/quote]
And the Muslims and Buddhists are still around. That prove their religion? The reason Israel won is A) they were rather ruthess, and B) their technology kicks ass

[quote]2) There are miracles today. It's a fact.[/quote]

er.... since when?

[quote]There are really many evidences to people who tell how they were healed by God's power.[/quote]
And you have... evidence for this?

[quote]It doesn't matter whether they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or something else. When they asked for God's help and mercy with all their heart- God answered their prayer and helped them because the act of healing is by God's mercy and grace to everyone who asks.
Even I have experienced such a miracle.
You don't have to believe me, but what I tell you is true.[/quote]

Dude, that happened to me too! I went to the doctor and he said, drink this and your ailments shall cease. and I did, and they did! It's a miracle! Just because people get better doesn't mean it's a miracle... Secondly, a miracle is simply something which was improbable. Things which are improbable... happen, especially with how many people there are in the world, it would be stastically odd if very unlikely things DIDN'T happen from time to time.

[quote]3) The science agrees that all this complicated structure of the human body, or something else which is natural- has an intelligent design.
The probability for atoms to have such a complicated combination by themselves without an involvement of a creator is almost zero.
Such a person who chooses to believe that all this was made by itself- takes a much greater risk than a person who believes that all this was created by God.[/quote]

Actually, most of scientists do NOT agree with that. Most of science agrees that current theories fully account

How do you know what the probability is? I would like you to provide specific examples of atoms that have complicated combinations that are inexplicable. I'll see what I can do to clarify how they are fully possible. You're misunderstanding ONE time probability, such as the probability that a randomly selected person will get a 2400 on the SAT, and overall probability, such as the probability that someone somewhere over a long time will get a 2400. For example, it is highly unlikely to flip heads 20 times in a row. However, if everyone in the world were to do that, right now, approximately 1/1000000 people would. That's in the thousands of people worldwide. Imagine a universe-wide flipping of coins, and you mean to tell me that simple replicating atoms could not form(after all, the start of self-replicating molecules would have been in crystalline patterns, which, I have created in a lab simply by mixing the necessary parts, and letting them follow their natural course)

[quote]4) The existence of a universe- a universe is a material. A material changes all the time and turns into different forms because of different processes.
A material needs to be created somehow, since it's a result, and a result needs to have a cause.[/quote]

Actually, we have no experience in material being 'created'. For all we know, creation of material is impossible. Material may not be a result. For example, when you ask 'why?' repetitively about something, you reach a brute fact eventually. For example, say you ask why water expands when it freezes. I can answer that it's because the angle of the molecules is larger than that in water. Then you can ask 'Why?' and I will say it has to do with the electromagnetism and weight and gravitational pull(minor aspect) of the atoms. Then you can ask 'Why?' I have no more explanation,, I'm sure there are a few more in depth ones dealing with quarks that perhaps intense physicists could give, but eventually you reach a point where things just ARE. electrons behave the way they do because those are just their properties. They are inherent and unchangeable. This is the same type of logic you are applying to the existence. Perhaps existence is just a brute fact. Secondly, to ask what happened before the Big Bang is kinda a weird question. It's like saying 'what happened before the space-time continuum?' when both the words 'happened' and 'before' are dependent on space and time's existence.

[quote]Some say that if our parents are the cause and we are the result, yet they are not greater than us, but are like us.
However, the multiplying of people is a process that had a beginning in Adam. God created Adam, and the cause to the beginning of this process was greater than the cause.[/quote]

You're begging the question, assuming the truth of what you're setting out to prove. There is no evidence that Adam existed. What your argument currently is is: Adam was created by God, since everything traces back to him, God must be the cause. Obviously your conclusion will be that God must be the cause if you assume he's the cause.

[quote]God who is the cause to the universe needs to be greater than the universe itself, since the universe needed to begin somehow,[/quote]
why is it necessary that the universe begin? And what does 'begin' mean, before time exists?
[quote]and God made its beginning. The universe could not begin by itself, since it needed a greater power to begin all its processes, and by itelf it could not begin.[/quote]

Again witht he circular. One of your reasons why the universe could not begin is that 'by itelf it could not begin'. Assuming what you set out to prove is not a valid argument.

[quote]The universe started existing at some point,[/quote]

Again, when you're dealing with all of existence, what does starting to exist mean? How can existence start to exist? Existence exists because it is existence. That's what existence does. If it didn't exist, it wouldn't be existence.

[/quote]so the cause to it needed to exist before the universe, so only God is infinite who has no end and no beginning.[/quote]

So what did God do for all that infinite time before he created the universe? Secondly, how can an infinite, omnipotent being enact anything? If he is omnipotent, he can have no wants or needs, because anything he wants would be fulfilled.

[quote]Therefore, it's logical to say that the cause of the universe is GREATER than the universe itself.[/quote]

You gave neither underlying warrants nor concurring evidence to reach this conclusion, so no, it is not logical to say.

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[quote]God won't change us if we don't want this. [/quote] So basically, if you change, God will change you? That sounds more like...you're the one doing the changing, not God. Just sayin...

1. Just because the Jewish people have survived for so long doesn't mean that they are god's people. How then do you explain that they are so low in number. If they are truly God's people, how then do explain the fact that God has not intervened and put an end to their hardship. ::coughs:: Doesn't ::coughs:: exist!

2. Can we please get some evidence to support these claims of yours? Give us some examples. You're being very vague here.

3. So we were designed by an intelligent plan, by an intelligent being, namely God. Why is it then that so many people are just so unintelligent? They had to have been designed the same way, by the "God," so why are do so many people suffer from retardation, autism, and Attentional Defecit Hyper-active Disorder? Would you care to explain these "design flaws"

So the Jews are God's chosen people. Sucks for you. See you in Hell!
There are no miracles. Great things happen, but they don't violate the laws of nature. I hate when people think that you can break the laws of nature as you can break a law of your government. You just can't.
Science agrees that this body was formed through natural processes so whatever you're referring to is wrong. Creation-science is an oxymoron.

I would qoute all of your numbers but Im too lazy too answer them all. So I picked this one:

[quote]2) There are miracles today. It's a fact.
There are really many evidences to people who tell how they were healed by God's power.
It doesn't matter whether they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or something else. When they asked for God's help and mercy with all their heart- God answered their prayer and helped them because the act of healing is by God's mercy and grace to everyone who asks.
Even I have experienced such a miracle.
You don't have to believe me, but what I tell you is true.[/quote]

Ever heard of a movie coming out called [i]300[/i]? Its based upon the Battle of Spartians against the Persian Empire. 300 vs couple 1000. The Spartains win, but they didnt praise God, they praised Ares, Zesus, etc. Is that a miracle? Why would your God save the lives of people who dont believe in him?

The continued existence of the Jews doesn't say anything about them being 'protected by god'. Zoroastrians still exist, and they far predate Judaism. Could they be protected by god too?

I'm curious how much you know about the history of Judaism and of the Jews? I'm still learning, of course, and am pursuing a religious studies major. I've been doing outside reading about Judaism, because I find it particularly interesting. I'm assuming that you believe that the story of the Old Testament is exact history of the Jews, right? Well, I would have to say that it's an unfounded conclusion. There are certainly parts of it that use historical reference, particularly the later books, but much of the older 'history' was actually written fairly recent in history, and to conclude it as the truth would require outside evidence to corroborate it.

For instance, I have yet to see archaeological or record evidence to link to the Jews to having been in Egypt. this is often assumed to be true by most Jews and Christians, but Exodus was written much later than when the story was supposed to have occurred (No - it was [i]not[/i] written by Moses - I don't believe there is actually any archaeological evidence to suggest he existed at all).

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but the Jews also started off as polytheists. The wording of the pentateuch and some of the other early Jewish texts hints at their polytheistic roots, and the Jews difficulty in staying on the track of the new monotheism. There is also Archaeological evidence that points to the Jews having worshipped several gods in their ancient past. And, of course, Judaism was heavily influenced by the Zoroastrians around the time of the Babylonian captivity (which there is evidence for), including the emphasis on angelic figures (we see a more heavy emphasis of angels during and after the captivity) and likely monotheism (of which Zoroastrianism was the first we know of).

And the State of Israel exists because the United States has backed it and helped to arm it. If it weren't for that, the State would likely have been destroyed by its neighbors. There's no divine being affecting them, simply modern politics.

I'll leave the other points to the others, just thought I'd toss in my two cents on the Jews.