After seeing that...if it's a war they want it's a war they'll get...There's one thing I despise, hurting or brainwashing children, or doing ANYTHING bad to kids, so if there's ever a war in the next 30 or so years...I'll be in it...and I'll kill as many of those bastards as I can so they can't brainwash a newer generation...Oh, if you haven't noticed, I get very...uhm...pissed when I see something happening to children, and just because of that video, Fuck Bush...and his whole family, I'm voting liberal from here on out when I hit 18 and am able to vote (Which is in 7 months.)

I saw this documentary at the Traverse City Film Festival. I sat in the theatre with my best friend and my mother and we sobbed through the entire thing. people were getting outraged in the theatre, and it had such a powerful impact on everyone, people were standing up, started yelling at the screen.

it was flippin amazing. and i sincerely hope they can bring this movie to the masses. -pixie

of course they don't want to kill infidels...yet

I couldn't even finish watching it. That was one of the most disgusting things that I've ever seen in my entire life. What is up with people and this bullshit about a "God" ? There is absolutely no justifiable evidence that points to there being a god and if there was, how the hell could everyone pray to him/her/it? Everyone's god is different so it wouldn't make sense.

Truth: Religion (not women, not men, not money, not government), is the root of all evil.

I know that alot of you are pissed about this but I wouldn't worry about it too much just look at the big picture. It's a bunch of Radical Lunatics, and many people on both sides are offended, one day, when this kind of behavior reaches it's peak, it will fall in on itself, and it will decay and die, just like so many religions before it. Most large organizations will end up destroying themselves because everything goes in cycles, nothing lasts forever.

I just reviewed Jesus Camp with a friend and it's being offered in a free download.

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If you're unaware, your name and password from this site work on that site.

I don't think it would be any sort of alarmism to say that yes, these people portrayed in Jesus Camp are CHRISTIAN FASCISTS, there ain't no doubt about it. The problem that I see is not limited to the fact that, as the man quoted in the trailer noted, one of these centers opens its doors every two days and there are more than 80 million Americans who call themselves Evangelical Christians, but furthermore there is a Christian Fascist solid core that is at the helm of the Bush Regime and is taking the US further and further towards a Bible based, theocratic form of what amounts to red, white, and blue fascism (many of them leaning towards the Christian theocrat flag pictured in the movie even moreso than the Stars and Stripes).

What is to be done, and what role do the youth in the US, especially atheists, have in opposing the direction of this regime and where it seems to be taking society?

The midterm election results are in and it looked like to many people I talked to that this was a "victory" against what a lot of these Bible-based fundamentalists and fascists were fighting for - however, the facade soon slipped away when one realized that even up to the top leadership of the Democratic Party, for instance Hillary Clinton, there was conciliation with religious fanatics - after reading her infamous line about how abortion should be "safe, legal, and RARE" and the fact that Bob Casey, a Democrat, ran and WON in Pennsylvania on an anti-abortion platform...it's clear to see that even this supposed "blow" to the Republicans doesn't put a dent in the freight train that we're headed on towards fascism. What we need is an organized, independent and political movement raging throughout society - not cooped up in a poll booth every couple years, but in the streets and in people's faces, challenging this straight up Christian Fascist agenda.

What do y'all think - any other opinions on how this ties in with the political situation with the Bush regime today?

[url=http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/the_rational_response_squad_radio_show/general_conversation_introductions_and_humor/3129]Jesus Camp is shutting down![/url]

Jesus dont love them no more?

HOORAH!! <333

I have never been so scared in my life.

how can this be allowed to happen in the word to day? This is crazy shit that Becky Fisher is pulling... she is brain washing kids and their parents are sending them there... it is no different then a Nazi youth center. It needs to be stopped and we as teenagers need to do something to stop it!

I dont know how their parents can sit in that audience and watch as their kids dress up in camo and act like idiots. There parents must have been brain washed to.

.....wow...
that was....
wow
i might have to go shoot myself now..

((first post whoo!))

that scares me beyond words
"we're training to be god's army"
and just who do they expect to be fighting? anyone they're told to fight, thats who, and that could mean atheist's.

for some reason i cant help but think that those kids are being prompted to say the things they are.

This is a repeat of nazi brainwashing.

man, since i came to this thread this morning this thing has me all jittery

what if something bad happens? like huge global scale disaster, and people like this who think its the apocalypse organize and start...well...fighting god's war?

will we be ready for it? will we be able to stop them?

dude, most countries pledge allegiance to a flag or whatev. and when i was in bangkok we had to sing allegiance to the king of thailand or something, so it's actually not that strange. it's just a way to show that something's important to people. and i really don't see how not saying "under god" in school has anything to do with people pledging allegiance. if you said "i don't even pledge allegiance to the american flag" then it would be relevant. if god is as important to people as their country, why can't they pledge allegiance to it? i was taught to say the pledge to the american flag when i was little, but no one thought that was brainwashing, so if you're going to argue against one pledge, you've gotta argue against them all.

[quote=spittingfish]just because they say that 80 million people are christians doesn't mean that we're all spazzing for christ like in that video.[/quote]

I know, but what's so frightening about it is there are [i]actually that many Christians[/i] who ARE that insane.

'tis true, toxicat......it's even worse for me because people see movies like this and they're like "and YOU're a christian like THESE PEOPLE?!?!?!" and then i have to deal with all this crap handed to me by people who supposedly share my "religion." ugh. ticks me OFF. seriously, children that small aren't gonna actually know what they're doing and saying, so although i don't disagree with parents showing their children what they believe, it's not really the kids belief untill they know what they're doing. i'll bet most of these kids will grow up and be like "what the crap was THAT all about?" and actually get real about life. like, it's alright to be hyped up about God, but it's gotta at least be a rational decision, not just peer pressure or adult intervention like at that camp. bleh, it gives me the heebie jeebies!

[quote]christianity is a pacifist religion.[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Crusades,
Inquisition,
Irish-Conflict,
Witch Hunts,
Slavery,
Abortion Bombings,
Danites (follows w/ below),
Mormon Conflict,
The KKK,
Major Persecution of Jews,
Idolizing some forms of violence (not in itself violence),
Persecution of Homosexuals,
I would consider some fundamentalist tactics to 'scare the hell' out of children to be violence,
Exorcisms,
Protestant reformation,
Persecution of Some scientists,
- This may not be importiant - But I should mention that a very large proportion of the prison population is Christian (Larger Evanjelical percentage,

I believe that there are more examples... but I cant think of many more

God is the meta-ethical precondition for all morality. Read the works by William Lane Craig.

Teenagers just are not educated enough in logic and philosophy. They need to gow-up first before they even think they know anything about anything.

You cannot have morality without God. Atheists can count, but they can't ACCOUNT for morality.

[quote]You cannot have morality without God. Atheists can count, but they can't ACCOUNT for morality.[/quote]

Correct. I dont have morals, I have ethics. Thats socially acceptable compared to morals, since every Christian has a different view when it comes to thier morals. Ethics remain the same.

[quote]Teenagers just are not educated enough in logic and philosophy. They need to gow-up first before they even think they know anything about anything.[/quote]

I. Refer to the other post I made
II. Insulting again arent you? Hm, you know we can do the same.
III. IGNORANCE IS POWER.