Yup, scary

No they really have their own flag and their own pledge for it.

Yeah I don't do the US pledge either. I saw a thing on rise of the religious right and they had a segment on a faith-based school. They did pledge to the US flag then to the christian flag then go through the brainwashing classes. It was crazy reminded me of the hitler youth, more so then this thing.

Whoa... That video was fucked up.

Religious extremism like that scares the shit out of me.

What is that kid with the ponytail talking about, he wanted more of life when he was five? bullshit! He was just brainwashed! This is abuse no matter what they say.

scary..uhh i have a question though...was the video encouraging the camp or was it like trying to show how scary it was..?

[quote=GrapeScentedGuru]It was showing both sides of the spectrum.

'They're taking children and putting them in camps, we're putting our kids in Bible camp. They're putting grenades in their kids' hands.' - Fat woman

'We're training to be God's army.' - Kid

lolhypocrits@u[/quote]

Love?

wait, no...

but, no...

gadamn conflicting views of the same subject matter!!!

I'm saddened, sickened, and appalled. It's disturbing to see kids so young so militantly religious. That they're so brainwashed by that age... ugh. "I was saved at 5". These kids are being tought from day one that they need 'saving', that they're bad by their very nature and need forgiveness. This is why theism is a bad thing. It's control.

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Here guys, check if it's at a theater near you.

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/theatreList.html

It's playing in Seattle the 6th, I think I might go see it, but it's an hour and a half drive from the college…

There are two other small clips from the film you can see if you go under the videos section at http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ The one with the woman is especially freaky.

[quote=Noah]i think its good for kids to have something to believe in and to believe in it that strongly eventualy they will be faced with a splitin the path and will have the choice to believe in nothing or believe in God so as long as they are faced with the choice i dont understand what you all are so upset about[/quote]

Are you joking?

This kind of brainwashing of children will not eventually lead them to splitting the path. It's this kind of brainwashing that does not lead to them facing a choice, because they are not allowed to THINK. There is no choice to make, because the whole act of making a choice is foreign to them. They have been told what to do by superiors their whole life; what makes you think they will suddenly start thinking on their own?

Blind belief in a cause is never good, no matter what it is. One must think their position through, logically derive it; not have it crammed down their throat.

In the american nazi movement, children plegded their alligence to the christian flag, the american flag both, along side the swastika. This kind of fundamentalism is the same kind that motivated nazism, the spanish inquisiton, the dark ages, and the great crusades. It is the justification of murder and hate in the name of an "omnibenevolent" being? that sounds quite contradictory to me, Noah. But then again, they supposidly have "free will" along the premises of gods plan? wait another conrtadiction? and saying their path will split? do you mean away from god? i mean if he knew that they would stop beleiving, why not just control them like he did the pharrow in exodus?

This is the problem with fundamentalism, now they are dancing, and hating, next they are slaughtering, and being merciless hate mongers. The only chance they have and the world has is to end fundamentalism like this, and not through moderation, a complete hault of all religions. we have to stop training the youth of today to be the nazi's of tommarrow. end religion for our futures sake. Point and case.

ok you all are blowing my comment way out of proportion. I didnt say anything about free will, or the exodus, or anything of the sort. All I'm trying to say is that they will either have a belief system or they wont, eventualy they will see that other viewpoints exist and will have a choice to believe in them or not (again not saying that they will or will not split from the "path of God"). The way I see it if you tell children about going to heaven then they will have hope, if you tell them they will die and their bodies will rot in the ground and thats the end, well not exactly a childrens story if you ask me (wheather or not you believe it). Athiest and christians alike tell their children fairy tells of kings and queens and dragons and things, you [i]know[/i] those arent true but you still tell them the stories because people like to believe there is more to this miserable world. So in essence whats the harm of them believing in a God that according to most of you doesnt exist, if He truly doesnt exist why should you care?

thats all well and good but the christian fundamentalist beliefs dont want to "kill the infidels" they want to convert them so the worst thing that may happen is one may come up to you and talk to you about Jesus and you walk away is that all that bad?

intolerance i suppose in a way but like i said they only want to convert you because they think you will be better off. as for apocalyptic insanity again they dont have some plan of murder or plan of anything bad that is their doing to the non-christians, plus they dont even know when it, is going to happen, because the Jesus said 'no man will know the date of my return'

[quote=Noah]
I am wondering if you watched the video that Toxicat linked? The woman running the bible camp stated (if not in that main video, then in the others you can find on the documentary's website) that she wanted her kids to get as fired up about Jesus as students of fundamentalist Islam get, to the point where they are ready to die for the religion.

That is what scares me most about this. You indoctrinate these kids at a young age to believe blindly, to go out and convert or die for God. It's rather frightening.[/quote]
The scariest part, I think, is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these kids' parents are pushing this on the kids, too. Not only the fat crazy one, but did you SEE the size of that group of kids? Put a god rifle in each of their hands and they're damn near an army. I can guarentee that some of these kids are going to blow up abortion clinics or something like that, because to them it's the word of their god.

Religion is more than scary. It's fucking terrifying, and it WILL be the undoing of all of us.

[quote=Noah][quote=Lucretius]
In 1997, a quarter of Christians beileved that Jesus would return within their lifetimes. Just two years later that number climbed to 45%. So, while Christians don't have a set date to agree on; they still think it's going to happen in the near future.
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and are you a ware that in the few years after Jesus' death that almost all christians believed that christ would come back with in their lifetime?

as for the army of christians i really dont think they will do any damage fundamentalist christians have been around since the late 50's and havent done anything yet (blown up buildings or killed non-christians) because its against their religion.
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I'm well aware of the fact. This doesn't stop them from radically trying conversion tactics in preparation for the doomsday they foresaw. It also doesn't mean that today's fundamentlists will learn any lessons and not pull the same thing.

As for America's Christian's not murdering; well they have been trying to destroy public education regarding evolution, sex ed, as well as clouding abortion issues, stopping stem cell research, etc.

There are plenty of other ways religious fundamentalists can infringe upon the rights of others without killing or maiming them.

I feel another Crusade coming on.

I really do think these parents belong in mental institutions.

[quote=Noah]
could i get a verse on that[bible saying to kill people for following other gods] im not familiar with that verse[/quote]
Deuteronomy 13
1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,

13Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

17And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

18When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Again have you read the bible?

[quote]no i dont think thats a good thing im sorry you sister was scared like that. and what about Hell? youre right its not a pretty picture but it is easily avoidable (that is if you believe in it) all you have to do is believe in Jesus Christ not that hard, so for christians its not something that scares us because we are confident we arent going there what scares us it that others are.[/quote]
But if you don't then badness... If you tell a little kid about hell then tack on "And if you don't believe in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, whom died for our sins, then you go there, but if you do then nothing bad can happen after you die" then it might be a little scary to the little kid who questions. Also it is making it so that they must believe in it or, like I said, badness.

Plus http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/saved.html

[quote]Waco was the branch dividians not fundamentalist christians

Oklahoma City Bombing again branch dividians trying to pay the gov. back for Waco again nothing to do with fundamentalist christians
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http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/bran.html

Their holy book is the bible, "Koresh believed, he would bring about the second coming of Jesus Christ", "The Branch Davidians 'embrace the core teachings of the Seventh-Day Adventists.' The SDA Church follows most of the conservative Christian beliefs: creation, original sin, the virgin birth, the fall of mankind in the Garden of Eden, the divinity of Christ, the Trinity, belief in Satan as evil, the infallibility of Scripture, salvation by the atonement of Christ, etc."

Not christians fundamentalist?

[quote=Noah]
**xerobebop please be careful who it is you are quoting[/quote]
Oh, trust me, I knew who I was quoting.

Worshipping a Bush picture... so scary and funny at the same time.

Nah... Satan (if he existed at all) would be a lot smarter than Bush! ;)

who would even want to see this movie? Seriously. I showed the preview to a friend of mine who's very christian and conservative, and even he was apalled