So this isn't exactly a debate, but...
Posted on: Wed, 2008-02-27 17:24
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So this isn't exactly a debate, but...
Okay, So at school this week, we have this thing called interim, and basically, it's a week of no classes, you just pick something you're interested in, and study it. I'm in Exploring World Religions, and, as you can probably guess, we learn about different types of religion. Tomorrow, there are a bunch of clergymen coming in from different christian churches around the area, and we can ask them anything we want to.Anybody have some good questions for me to ask them? :)
Ask them [url=http://st09.startlogic.com/~pendrago/questions-christians.html]these[/url].
nice!thanks!!
Definitely ask this question: "If something had to create matter, why didn't something have to create god? Why can god have 'existed forever,' yet matter can't?"
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Definitely ask this question: "If something had to create matter, why didn't something have to create god? Why can god have 'existed forever,' yet matter can't?"
[/quote] semi-good question you have there
god did not exist "forever" because God does not exist temporally. The universe and matter does exist temporally.
Is there anything else that doesn't exist temporally?
[quote=Zhwazi]
Is there anything else that doesn't exist temporally?
[/quote] yes, abstract objects (numbers)
[quote=mig_killer2]
[quote=Zhwazi]
Is there anything else that doesn't exist temporally?
[/quote] yes, abstract objects (numbers)
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That's ridiculous; everything exists temporally except for FSM. Yahweh is a Satanic idol, and you will go to Pastafarian hell, where they only have American beer and the strippers have STDs.
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Definitely ask this question: "If something had to create matter, why didn't something have to create god? Why can god have 'existed forever,' yet matter can't?"
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The law of casualty states that "every effect has a cause" or "every contingent being is caused by a necessary being". God is exempt from requiring a cause because He is not an effect, nor is He a contingent being (AKA: a being who is dependent on another for his existence). Why is this? Because God is irreducibly simple, He is not comprised of any physical parts. However, the universe contains matter, and the chief characteristic of matter is mutability (it can be changed). Anything that undergoes change is classed as a contingent being, and thus the universe must require a cause. Again, God isn't a contingent being because God cannot change (He is not made out of physical parts).
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That's ridiculous; everything exists temporally except for FSM. Yahweh is a Satanic idol, and you will go to Pastafarian hell, where they only have American beer and the strippers have STDs.
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You merely asserted this without giving us any proof. Calling the opposition "ridiculous" is not an argument, it is a fallacy known as an appeal to ridicule.