Jesus Camp
Posted on: Sun, 2006-09-17 19:08
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Jesus Camp
This is appalling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE
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It's truly terrifying... brainwashing those poor children!
Yup, scary
Absolutely appalling! I am so offended. I "Pledge allegiance to the christian flag??!?!?!" Fuck that. I don't even say under god in school.
No they really have their own flag and their own pledge for it.
Wow. Well, i will never pledge my allegiance to that!
Yeah I don't do the US pledge either. I saw a thing on rise of the religious right and they had a segment on a faith-based school. They did pledge to the US flag then to the christian flag then go through the brainwashing classes. It was crazy reminded me of the hitler youth, more so then this thing.
...it kind of reminds me of a cult.
Those poor children
Whoa... That video was fucked up.
Religious extremism like that scares the shit out of me.
I know. Seriously, they're getting kids started.... Look at their faces in the video... it makes me sick.
What is that kid with the ponytail talking about, he wanted more of life when he was five? bullshit! He was just brainwashed! This is abuse no matter what they say.
What the fuck..
That's really fucking scary
scary..uhh i have a question though...was the video encouraging the camp or was it like trying to show how scary it was..?
It was showing both sides of the spectrum.
'They're taking children and putting them in camps, we're putting our kids in Bible camp. They're putting grenades in their kids' hands.' - Fat woman
'We're training to be God's army.' - Kid
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'They're taking children and putting them in camps, we're putting our kids in Bible camp. They're putting grenades in their kids' hands.' - Fat woman
'We're training to be God's army.' - Kid
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I almost forgot that this documentary should be released already. If they play it in any local theatre I plan to go see it. It is scary, I agree, but then again, what else do I expect from religious fundamentalists?
Love?
wait, no...
but, no...
gadamn conflicting views of the same subject matter!!!
Oh I will definitely see it. It will be a pretty interesting show.
I'm saddened, sickened, and appalled. It's disturbing to see kids so young so militantly religious. That they're so brainwashed by that age... ugh. "I was saved at 5". These kids are being tought from day one that they need 'saving', that they're bad by their very nature and need forgiveness. This is why theism is a bad thing. It's control.
I think that this is something that deserves to be moved to the front page. Thanks Toxicat for this find and I hope more people can see how appalling this video is.
The submission date for the article was changed to when it was moved to the front of the page.
that is disgusting.
"How many of you would give your lives for god?"
blehhh. i can't stand that.
Here guys, check if it's at a theater near you.
http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/theatreList.html
It's playing in Seattle the 6th, I think I might go see it, but it's an hour and a half drive from the college…
There are two other small clips from the film you can see if you go under the videos section at http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ The one with the woman is especially freaky.
i think its good for kids to have something to believe in and to believe in it that strongly eventualy they will be faced with a splitin the path and will have the choice to believe in nothing or believe in God so as long as they are faced with the choice i dont understand what you all are so upset about
Are you joking?
This kind of brainwashing of children will not eventually lead them to splitting the path. It's this kind of brainwashing that does not lead to them facing a choice, because they are not allowed to THINK. There is no choice to make, because the whole act of making a choice is foreign to them. They have been told what to do by superiors their whole life; what makes you think they will suddenly start thinking on their own?
Blind belief in a cause is never good, no matter what it is. One must think their position through, logically derive it; not have it crammed down their throat.
How about believing strongly in nazism? And you have to understand that most of those kids won't have any kind of choice, as ideas become almost innate at this age.
In the american nazi movement, children plegded their alligence to the christian flag, the american flag both, along side the swastika. This kind of fundamentalism is the same kind that motivated nazism, the spanish inquisiton, the dark ages, and the great crusades. It is the justification of murder and hate in the name of an "omnibenevolent" being? that sounds quite contradictory to me, Noah. But then again, they supposidly have "free will" along the premises of gods plan? wait another conrtadiction? and saying their path will split? do you mean away from god? i mean if he knew that they would stop beleiving, why not just control them like he did the pharrow in exodus?
This is the problem with fundamentalism, now they are dancing, and hating, next they are slaughtering, and being merciless hate mongers. The only chance they have and the world has is to end fundamentalism like this, and not through moderation, a complete hault of all religions. we have to stop training the youth of today to be the nazi's of tommarrow. end religion for our futures sake. Point and case.
hehe i think they are scared and are turning to brainwashing the children to fight us off
ok you all are blowing my comment way out of proportion. I didnt say anything about free will, or the exodus, or anything of the sort. All I'm trying to say is that they will either have a belief system or they wont, eventualy they will see that other viewpoints exist and will have a choice to believe in them or not (again not saying that they will or will not split from the "path of God"). The way I see it if you tell children about going to heaven then they will have hope, if you tell them they will die and their bodies will rot in the ground and thats the end, well not exactly a childrens story if you ask me (wheather or not you believe it). Athiest and christians alike tell their children fairy tells of kings and queens and dragons and things, you know those arent true but you still tell them the stories because people like to believe there is more to this miserable world. So in essence whats the harm of them believing in a God that according to most of you doesnt exist, if He truly doesnt exist why should you care?
What's the problem? Take a look at history. Wars, genocides, repressive laws, faith-based initiatives — much of it was based on religion. If you want to see problems with believing in a God as fervently as these kids do in this documentary take a look at Sharia law in Islamic countries, take a look at the Crusades, take a look at 9/11…
This is the problem with fundamentalist belief in religion.
thats all well and good but the christian fundamentalist beliefs dont want to "kill the infidels" they want to convert them so the worst thing that may happen is one may come up to you and talk to you about Jesus and you walk away is that all that bad?
They're preaching intolerance (us or them) and apocalyptic insanity (generation for the arrival of jesus or something). That is pretty bad on any basis.
intolerance i suppose in a way but like i said they only want to convert you because they think you will be better off. as for apocalyptic insanity again they dont have some plan of murder or plan of anything bad that is their doing to the non-christians, plus they dont even know when it, is going to happen, because the Jesus said 'no man will know the date of my return'
In 1997, a quarter of Christians beileved that Jesus would return within their lifetimes. Just two years later that number climbed to 45%. So, while Christians don't have a set date to agree on; they still think it's going to happen in the near future.
I am wondering if you watched the video that Toxicat linked? The woman running the bible camp stated (if not in that main video, then in the others you can find on the documentary's website) that she wanted her kids to get as fired up about Jesus as students of fundamentalist Islam get, to the point where they are ready to die for the religion.
That is what scares me most about this. You indoctrinate these kids at a young age to believe blindly, to go out and convert or die for God. It's rather frightening.
I am wondering if you watched the video that Toxicat linked? The woman running the bible camp stated (if not in that main video, then in the others you can find on the documentary's website) that she wanted her kids to get as fired up about Jesus as students of fundamentalist Islam get, to the point where they are ready to die for the religion.
That is what scares me most about this. You indoctrinate these kids at a young age to believe blindly, to go out and convert or die for God. It's rather frightening.
The scariest part, I think, is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these kids' parents are pushing this on the kids, too. Not only the fat crazy one, but did you SEE the size of that group of kids? Put a god rifle in each of their hands and they're damn near an army. I can guarentee that some of these kids are going to blow up abortion clinics or something like that, because to them it's the word of their god.
Religion is more than scary. It's fucking terrifying, and it WILL be the undoing of all of us.
In 1997, a quarter of Christians beileved that Jesus would return within their lifetimes. Just two years later that number climbed to 45%. So, while Christians don't have a set date to agree on; they still think it's going to happen in the near future.
and are you a ware that in the few years after Jesus' death that almost all christians believed that christ would come back with in their lifetime?
as for the army of christians i really dont think they will do any damage fundamentalist christians have been around since the late 50's and havent done anything yet (blown up buildings or killed non-christians) because its against their religion.
In 1997, a quarter of Christians beileved that Jesus would return within their lifetimes. Just two years later that number climbed to 45%. So, while Christians don't have a set date to agree on; they still think it's going to happen in the near future.
and are you a ware that in the few years after Jesus' death that almost all christians believed that christ would come back with in their lifetime?
as for the army of christians i really dont think they will do any damage fundamentalist christians have been around since the late 50's and havent done anything yet (blown up buildings or killed non-christians) because its against their religion.
I'm well aware of the fact. This doesn't stop them from radically trying conversion tactics in preparation for the doomsday they foresaw. It also doesn't mean that today's fundamentlists will learn any lessons and not pull the same thing.
As for America's Christian's not murdering; well they have been trying to destroy public education regarding evolution, sex ed, as well as clouding abortion issues, stopping stem cell research, etc.
There are plenty of other ways religious fundamentalists can infringe upon the rights of others without killing or maiming them.
Have you read the bible? It says to kill people if they follow other gods or don't think like you. Now you might say that no one could possibly think that would be ok, but history tells us differently and there are enough charismatic people floating around to get people to follow them in this logic.
Also Noah atheist don't tell little kids scary stories to sway their childrens belief in something, at least I wouldn't. What stories would an atheist tell there kids? Personally I will raise my kids in an environment in which they can question. I'm not going to tell them "there is no god and anyone who thinks it is a dumbass" even I feel that way. They ask me a question like what happens when something dies I will have to tell them life comes to an end that is just the way of life. Everyone must deal with the concept of death at some point and I don't have to tell them what I see is a lie to them in order to comfort them through it. And what about the other half of your after-life picture? That is some scary shit. Not you're not in existence anymore, but if you piss of god he is going to punish you forever. My little sister had to deal with one of her friends ask her about god and her friend tell her that if she doesn't believe she will go to hell. They were only 7 or 8 at the time. DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A GOOD THING?!?!
Waco anyone? Oklahoma City Bombing? Fundamentalist are not one group that are all work together, that would be like saying Bin Laden and the people behind the London bombings work together. And the idea that it is against their religion is a very odd statement. The bible says that you can if it is god's will and there are people who want to do just that.
I feel another Crusade coming on.
could i get a verse on that im not familiar with that verse
no i dont think thats a good thing im sorry you sister was scared like that. and what about Hell? youre right its not a pretty picture but it is easily avoidable (that is if you believe in it) all you have to do is believe in Jesus Christ not that hard, so for christians its not something that scares us because we are confident we arent going there what scares us it that others are.
as for the army of christians i really don’t think they will do any damage fundamentalist christians have been around since the late 50's and haven’t done anything yet (blown up buildings or killed non-christians) because its against their religion.
Waco anyone? Oklahoma City Bombing?
Waco was the branch dividians not fundamentalist christians
Oklahoma City Bombing again branch dividians trying to pay the gov. back for Waco again nothing to do with fundamentalist christians
**xerobebop please be careful who it is you are quoting
I really do think these parents belong in mental institutions.