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Political leanings

I was wondering were the people here lean as far as the political compass//

I'm a libertarian..

Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

[url=http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire]Quiz[/url]


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Your political

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05
libertarian

But I must admitt, a few of the questions I didn't understand.


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lol im exactly were the

lol im exactly were the dalai lama is

Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03
im a left wing liberal...sounds about right

I really like that quiz a lot of good question.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

It didn't ask about gun control or immigration, which should have shifted thing a little more central...


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59
libertarian


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I still have no idea what my

I still have no idea what my results mean, but okay


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Libertarians support

Libertarians support individual freedom and smaller gov't. They generally are against taxation, hampering speech, etc.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: 1.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

I'm a registered libertarian.


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i think its all a load of

i think its all a load of bull


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What's a load of bull? The

What's a load of bull?

The test?


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yup the test

yup the test


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

But numbers don't do justice, as it ignores the reason for the individual beliefs.

I'm economically conservative, but ONLY in the context of my most central belief, a high inheritance tax. In our current situation, I support 'leftist' economic policies such as social security

In terms of social issues, I'm veeery pro-non-interference, but I find certain things, like overdone warning labels, which are meant to protect the public, and are generally liberal policies, to be ridiculous. I'd like to refer to my position as 'empirical', that is, unless you can show me why, with logical reasoning, I simply don't care. For example, most people approach the pro-gay marriage issue as one of love and emotion. I simply see it as black & white, there is no logical reason to forbid such unions.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

Yeah, I'm a socialist.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: 2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

There were a couple I wasn't sure of as well, but I think it has landed me pretty close to where I expected. Strongly libertarian and slightly to the right economically.


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I've already taken this in

I've already taken this in my AP History course, it also goes by the name of IQ (Index Quiz).

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

I guess I'm slightly more radical than most. But I ain't no foo', momma raised me right.

The test isn't bull, it's simply flawed as most tests are. It simply indicates where you lie on a comparison of the four extreme parties. Just because it says you're an Anarcho-Communist doesn't mean you are.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

I consider myself a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democrat]social democrat[/url].


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Economic policies can

Economic policies can be debated for ages without drawing any conclusions, but social suppression can only be justified through religion...


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I agree, Derevirn. I have no

I agree, Derevirn.

I have no problem discussing why someone holds so-and-so economic background, since there are reasonable arguments.

But taking other people's freedoms (AKA statism, either theocratic or no) is almost always stupid.


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I'm right around Ghandi on

I'm right around Ghandi on that compass

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

But on most I take, I'm a socialist, this one just didnt have that included


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Smaller Test

If anyone wants to take a smaller/faster (probably less accurate) test, check this out:

http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html

Needless to say, I'm a 100% Libertarian. I don't believe it is ok to steal things from other people or to tell other people how to live their lives. I don't believe in compromising freedom. Here's the writeup they gave me:
[quote]LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and

economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one

that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.[/quote]


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Liberal...

Liberal...

The funny thing is that in europe liberals are what you call libertarians, you might also be considered an anarcho-capitalist... so many labels, so little sense :P


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my conclusion - slavery and theft is always wrong

[quote=Derevirn]Economic policies can be debated for ages without drawing any conclusions, but social suppression can only be justified through religion...[/quote]

I think you can draw some conclusions. For example, I argue that taking people's money and spending it how you see fit is stealing. I also argue that forcing people to do something they don't want to do is slavery. If one believes that slavery and theft is wrong then one can conclude that economic policies that embody these crimes are also wrong. Stealing from a business is still stealing. Coercing businesses to do what you want is still slavery. What other conclusions can you draw? That slavery and theft is ok sometimes?


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That's a way loose usage of

That's a way inaccurate usage of the word theft (I suppose you mean taxes), while working for ten hours a day for a measly wage, is pretty much slavery and that's what a totally free market might lead to.


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Derevirn wrote:That's a way

[quote=Derevirn]That's a way inaccurate usage of the word theft (I suppose you mean taxes), while working for ten hours a day for a measly wage, is pretty much slavery and that's what a totally free market might lead to.[/quote]

Theft is "the act of stealing"

Stealing is "to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force"

I have the right to own my property and I don't give the government permission to take any of my money, therefore when they do take my money, they are stealing. You can call government theft of property "taxation" but it is still theft.

When you CHOOSE to work at a job that pays you a small amount of money, it isn't "pretty much slavery." You still get to choose whether you take a low paying job or a high paying job (if you have learned more skills). When you work 10 hours a day doing some unskilled job that anyone with two feet and two hands can do, then you can expect to get paid very little. Good...it provides you with an incentive to learn more and become more skilled and more creative so that you are WORTHY of a job that pays your a larger income. If you get really smart and creative, you can eventually start your own business and pay your unskilled employees whatever the hell want if you wish. When it is YOUR business, you can and should be able to do whatever you want.

The key difference between your rhetoric of "pretty much slavery" and actual slavery is that you have the choice to work, but you do NOT have the choice to not pay taxes. When choice is removed, it is slavery and it is theft.


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Sometimes you don't have any

Sometimes you don't have any other choice but to work on such conditions (that's slavery, like sweatshops). To avoid taxes, you can always go to a tax haven... Is it so difficult to understand that taxes are (at least theoretically) used for the good of everyone? Would you approve of sweatshops in USA (tax-free of course)?


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Derevirn wrote:Sometimes you

[quote=Derevirn]Sometimes you don't have any other choice but to work on such conditions (that's slavery, like sweatshops). [/quote]

Ok, lets look at the "sweatshop" problem a different way. Imagine you live in a 3rd world country, and you have no job, no food, and no hope. Then this big "evil" American corporation comes along and gives you a job. It doesn't pay much, but now you can buy food and support your family. Some money to buy food and live is better than no money and dying, right?

Reporters can try to guilt the corporations into paying a little more by reporting about these "sweatshops" and if the American people really cared, they could boycott companies and shop at places that treat their employees better.

[quote]To avoid taxes, you can always go to a tax haven... Is it so difficult to understand that taxes are (at least theoretically) used for the good of everyone? Would you approve of sweatshops in USA (tax-free of course)?[/quote]

Tax havens are illegal, at least in the United States. It's not difficult for me to understand the alleged reasons to tax people...but the greater good never had the right to murder, enslave, or steal from other people regardless of how much of a majority they have. You cannot attribute rights to others, however powerful, that you do not have yourself. Besides, a strong argument can be made that the "greater good" is NOT served with taxation. The people that benifit are the power hungry politicians and their rich criminal buddies.


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Quote:Then this big "evil"

[quote]Then this big "evil" American corporation comes along and gives you a job. It doesn't pay much, but now you can buy food and support your family. Some money to buy food and live is better than no money and dying, right?[/quote]

You can't seriously support sweatshops... what about child labor?

[quote]The people that benifit are the power hungry politicians and their rich criminal buddies.[/quote]

Maybe... that's why the system needs to be redefined, not abolished. You use the same reasoning most marxists do... if it has some problems let's destroy it, instead of fixing it.


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Derevirn wrote:You can't

[quote=Derevirn]You can't seriously support sweatshops... what about child labor?[/quote]
I don't support companies that employ children in harsh working conditions. I encourage my friends to avoid these companies as well. I don't think there is anything wrong however, with "outsourcing" or building factories in foreign countries. I think countries like India are benefitting way more by this practice than if they received no foreign investment at all.

[quote]Maybe... that's why the system needs to be redefined, not abolished. You use the same reasoning most marxists do... if it has some problems let's destroy it, instead of fixing it.[/quote]
And you are using the same reasoning that alcholics use...maybe THIS TIME...I will be able to control my drinking. Oops.

The government has never fixed anything, what makes you think that they will get it right this time? Let me give you some examples of government programs in the US:

  • War on Drugs. Result: Increased drug usage, prisons overpopulated, taxation increased.
  • Medicare/Medicaid. Result: Healthcare costs rose over 300% for everyone that didn't qualify for the benefits and most of the best doctors moved into private care only or out of the medical industry altogether
  • War on Terror. Result: More terrorists, more people around the world hate Americans, billions of dollars of tax money wasted, liberties breached, privacy invaded, and can't take freaking liquids onto airplanes.

Our own Central "Intelligence" Agency can't keep a secret under wraps, and when we find out what the secret is...it's a direct violation of the Constitution.

I honestly can't think of one good thing the government does. They censor our airwaves, they don't let potentially beneficial medical drugs onto the market, they can't even rebuilt a city ravashed by a hurricane with 60 billion dollars. The government sucks and only a sucker thinks it will miraculously start doing things effectively.

Government "reform" is exactly what every politician shills every election cycle. We need "reforms," we need to "refine" our broken system. What they really mean is that they need your vote so they can start "refining" money out of your wallet and "reforming" their offshore bank accounts.


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anyone i think who doesnt

anyone i think who doesnt agree with stuff such as sweatshops uses their emotions in that judgement. I am not saying that is bad. but i forwarn that you should never base all judgement on emotion. because firstly, emotion constantly changes. So do thoughts. But many of the times, unless you arent too bright, they develop and become for detailed thoughts, not worse. so i think it is better to decide on things with thoughts not emotion


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I agree with your critique

I agree with your critique of the US government but as I've said on other threads I'm not talking strictly about US politics (maybe that's the root of much misunderstanding). I'm mostly thinking about EU (as I live in Greece)... Anyway, what does war on drugs for example, have to do with my suggestions?

Surely, outsourcing sometimes benefits foreign countries but sweatshops blatantly take advantage of desperate people and that doesn't need much thinking.


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even though that isnt

even though that isnt directed to me i feel like throwing this out there. whether or not sweat shops take advantage of someone depends on whether or not they take advantage of the sweatshop. The sweatshop just happens to get A LOT more advantages.


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I don't see your point...

I can't see your point... how can a person working for a few dollars a day on terrible conditions take advantage of them?


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they are using that job, no

they are using that job, no matter how bad, to help feed, and shelter themselves and their family. taking the job is taking advantage of it. taking any job is taking advantage of it. it doesnt necessarily mean that the disadvantages are less. but they are better off with the job than without. so it is taking advantage


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

i'm more a socialist.


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These are my

These are my results...

Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87

In reality, this isn't the most elite of political analysis tools available.
So I will tell you I am an

[b]Opportunist Individualist Anarchist[/b]


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03

Seems right to me, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to most things.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

right in the same area as Nelson Mandela, The Dalai Lama, and Gandhi. Score!


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taken this test plenty of

taken this test plenty of times.

I'm a capitalist libertarian. Economic rights, social rights. Gotta love them rights...


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I can just read the test and

I can just read the test and it's gonna totally screw up what I really think because it assumes a number of things that are simply untrue.

Anarchocapitalist. Think of a libertarian that completely drops the idea of a legit state. That's me.


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http://bostontea.us/ Sad,

http://bostontea.us/

Sad, but most Libertarians have become Republicans. Check out the Boston Tea Party =D


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That test made me answer so

That test made me answer so many questions with technicalities. Seems like if I go with the spirit of it, I would get about (-3.5, -4) instead of this. I really think government should be smaller in several ways, but the way the questions are phrased, I answer them against the general Idea behind it because I am not an extremist. Just because there are some messed up people (Think the movie Psycho) who cannot be rehabilitated, that doesn't mean I don't think punishment is cruel and we should only rehabilitate, whenever possible. Very Interesting...

"Official" Results
Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69


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Economic: -7.50Social:

Economic: -7.88
Social: -8.05

And damn proud of the hippiness of it.


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UltraWill

[quote=UltraWill]http://bostontea.us/

Sad, but most Libertarians have become Republicans. Check out the Boston Tea Party =D[/quote]
Way ahead of ya. I've been a BTP member for four and a half months. Damn the LRC!


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Wow! Nice to meet you, I

Wow! Nice to meet you, I figured it'd be a long time until this catched on to any extent. My dad's involved so I was let in on it way ahead of the game, so it's really comforting to know that there are other people that are actually involved!


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UltraWill wrote:Wow! Nice to

[quote=UltraWill]Wow! Nice to meet you...it's really comforting to know that there are other people that are actually involved![/quote]
The feeling is mututal.

How about you check out my favorite libertarian organization, the Free State Project.

http://www.freestateproject.org

Proud member of that one too. I live in Florida, so I'll have to get used to that whole "winter" thing they have up north.


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Update - 7 months later, I

Update - 7 months later, I have shifted a bit farther. Didn't bother to take the test, because I know where I'm at. Market Anarchy.


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I'm a market anarchist too.

I'm a market anarchist too. Been libertarian for several months but turned to anarchocapitalism.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
Liberal

Personally, I believe that capitalism is important to individuality, but it does need some restriction.
Also, I'm not a fan of socialists.


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Economic Left/Right:

Economic Left/Right: 4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

Which is a screwed up score

I think that that was messed up (Had a question like is charity better than welfare? on the religion section)

A better one is the world's smallest political quiz... it was a download and it has diffrent forms but is based on the same thing

Also it diddnt have any 'mabey' or 'medium' choices....

I am pretty close (even though my score doesn't show it) to perfect libertarian ( I mean neither right or left and very close to the bottom)

I am an Objectivist (student of objectivism)... so I do believe in a government.. but taxes would be flat (around 5%) and only go to disaster funds, government upkeep (conservativly speaking), and defence (including police, prisons, judges, and military)

All social programs would be abolished, and people would be able to do pretty much whatever they wanted, short of the initiation of force (and in Rand's (or peikoff's) words - other indirect forms of force... such as fraud and embezzlement)

I guess you could describe me as a miniarchist , but I call myself libertarian...


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Your political

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.05
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.59


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Noor - this forum might be

Noor - this forum might be up your alley, it's a primarily Market Anarchist atheist board. I found it not too long after my deconversion to MA, and it was very helpful in answering my lingering questions and learning about Austrian economics and such. If you check it out, be sure to post in the introduction forum with your religious and political views!